***** ALERT - Nominations for your new ClubCJ Committee can be made here *****
Heel-toe
Moderators: Moderators, Senior Moderators
-
ads18x
- INACTIVE Member Account
- Posts: 83
- Joined: Sun Jan 25, 2009 1:09 pm
- Location: Campbelltown, NSW, Australia
Heel-toe
Now im not a a big guy, 6ft and size 11 shoe, but does anyone else have trouble doing heel-toe in the lancer.... feels like the accelerator is slightly recessed further than the brake pedal.... or is it my imagination and i just cant do it lol
-
Josh_Emerton
- Lancer MASTER
- Posts: 1920
- Joined: Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:49 pm
- Location: Cairns, QLD, Australia
-
Josh_Emerton
- Lancer MASTER
- Posts: 1920
- Joined: Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:49 pm
- Location: Cairns, QLD, Australia
I actually prefer driving without heel-toe anyway. I know it aint faster for people who can heel-toe properly but thats just it - I cant actually do it PROPERLY, so normal changing is faster for me. I end up wasting less than half a second doing the normal change. In saying that I'll probably need to replace my gearstick at some point lol
Bandit...
Yep manual driving the "heel toe" was used in the old non synchro manual gearboxes when down shifting to allow you to brake and rev the engine (usually accompanied by a "double clutch" ie pop the clutch mid shift/through neutral) to allow both a smooth rev and gear matching to avoid "crunching" the gears.
Older buggers like myself got used to it, trying to find first gear mid hill on old holdens and fords.
Now the technique is:
- toe of shoe or ball of foot on brake pedal, and heel or side of foot on the accelerator to allow control/modulation of both simultaneously.
PS Also great for hill starts when the handbrake does not work. Gotta love the old cars.... boy I had some bombs during Uni days. I thought a good car was one which started!
Yep manual driving the "heel toe" was used in the old non synchro manual gearboxes when down shifting to allow you to brake and rev the engine (usually accompanied by a "double clutch" ie pop the clutch mid shift/through neutral) to allow both a smooth rev and gear matching to avoid "crunching" the gears.
Older buggers like myself got used to it, trying to find first gear mid hill on old holdens and fords.
Now the technique is:
- toe of shoe or ball of foot on brake pedal, and heel or side of foot on the accelerator to allow control/modulation of both simultaneously.
PS Also great for hill starts when the handbrake does not work. Gotta love the old cars.... boy I had some bombs during Uni days. I thought a good car was one which started!
Last edited by BeHaV3 on Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:17 pm, edited 1 time in total.
CJ RA. Stock!
-
Bandit
- Lancer Legend
- Posts: 1170
- Joined: Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:56 am
- Location: The People's Republic of Campbelltown
Roger, I am with you now - about matching road speed to engine speed. I have driven many non-synchro trucks/coaches but hadn't ever heard double clutching being called that 'heel-toe'. In fact with most (esp older) non-synchro diesels, you can change gears quite smoothly up and down without the clutch.
Why would you want to do this in a synchro car beats me though - each to their own.....
Why would you want to do this in a synchro car beats me though - each to their own.....
ClubCJ's first Sportback
-
Josh_Emerton
- Lancer MASTER
- Posts: 1920
- Joined: Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:49 pm
- Location: Cairns, QLD, Australia
Yeah its also a method of keeping speed up on EXIT of corners
I.e. keeping the engine revving throughout the braking period and apex allows the engine to still be in condition to just 'accept' the gear change and jump out of the corner, whereas sometimes if you have the wrong gear or the engine isnt revved high enough the car sort of 'grips the clutch' (dunno how to word it) and slows down briefly as you release the clutch up past the biting point. Feels like the cars trying to leap backwards on ya.
I.e. keeping the engine revving throughout the braking period and apex allows the engine to still be in condition to just 'accept' the gear change and jump out of the corner, whereas sometimes if you have the wrong gear or the engine isnt revved high enough the car sort of 'grips the clutch' (dunno how to word it) and slows down briefly as you release the clutch up past the biting point. Feels like the cars trying to leap backwards on ya.
Clarification of terms:
- heel-toe is what you do with your right foot
- double (de-?)clutch is what you do with your left foot.
In modern cars with full synchromesh, can be totally independent or done together, or not done at all.
It is all about being smooth (old and new cars) & mechanically sympathetic (in particular with the older cars). So for modern cars, a heel-toe can give baby bum smooth down changes (not neck snapping clutch popping). Gettting it right is a magic/beautiful thing, getting it wrong is ugly abuse!
On the track, at the limit, that smoothness pays off!
You need to know how to do both to get the most out of a Formula Ford.
- heel-toe is what you do with your right foot
- double (de-?)clutch is what you do with your left foot.
In modern cars with full synchromesh, can be totally independent or done together, or not done at all.
It is all about being smooth (old and new cars) & mechanically sympathetic (in particular with the older cars). So for modern cars, a heel-toe can give baby bum smooth down changes (not neck snapping clutch popping). Gettting it right is a magic/beautiful thing, getting it wrong is ugly abuse!
On the track, at the limit, that smoothness pays off!
You need to know how to do both to get the most out of a Formula Ford.
CJ RA. Stock!
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 110 guests